going to talk about kindergarten today one of my i don't tell other teachers that but it is one of my passions i've spent many years teaching kindergarten i uh then when full day kindergarten came in i was a consultant i came out of durham catholic and then i was a student achievement officer and worked with a lot of districts and i tried to wrangle my way into working with kindergarten educators a lot so i'm very excited to be with you tonight and maybe just to get started we've got a nice small group here so i'm going to invite you to um to unmute if you want or uh just put into the chat um a little bit about yourself um we are working with kindergarten today that's what we're going to focus on um you might want to put if you're from a certain district that would be great this is a national um opportunity so there may be people from other provinces and you know if you currently use mathology what are you currently using um some of you may be just in mathology.ca using the kindergarten little book some of you might be in print but feel free to open your mic and just let me know a little bit about yourself or whether you're just here because uh you want to know more about this uh hi my name's leah and i teach kindergarten with the toronto catholic district school board and our school we've got four kindergarten classes and we just started um sort of dipping our toes into mathology i believe it was last year and we were in a bit of a crazy situation because we purchased the program um we signed up and we had training ready to go and then our whole work to rule happened so we didn't get our training um and then shortly after that was all settled uh covet happened so long story short we still haven't received our training but we do have all the materials and everything at our school um we've largely used the online component of mathology so far um and a little bit of the hard copy little books within the class but that's pretty much it i'm hoping to learn lots today terrific so when you say online are you talking about the e-text library that you would go in and you would find the same resources just digitally as your teacher guide that's right it helped a lot actually with remote learning the activities that were paired with the readings were awesome so okay they use them quite a bit okay great thanks leah no problem and bernice we have bernice with us today with peel and brand new to mathology great so we're gonna show you uh lots of things and uh jennifer a math consultant so we are focusing on kindergarten today but you will see some features in mathology.ca that are actually k-6 and then next i believe next week we have the focus on grade one to three and then we have another one on four to six coming up also i'm rebecca and i work for the ottawa catholic school board i am an early child childhood educator i've been with the board since 2016 and this is my first time using mythology resources like leah we have them available to us within the school as hard copies but finding them through online has definitely been a lifesaver and using them um virtually with our little ones have definitely been um helpful we from time to time throughout the year have used them as hard copies but i've never really seen them before and dipping my toes into uh this session today i'm looking forward to it and kind of furthering my education and extending my learning um using this uh webinar which i'm looking forward to so thank you great so at any time just open your mic um if you have a comment or question or feel free to put it in the chat uh paddy is gonna kind of monitor that i kind of look from time to time but sometimes um there's a lot happening with us happening so sometimes that gets forgotten but patty won't forget that um when you are using the chat if you could go down to the blue button and just change it to panelists and attendees that way whatever you type in there everyone can see it and have that conversation that would be great so we will have a few different conversations during and i'm going to show you a variety of things that hopefully will be helpful to you so let's get started and i'm going to oops Screenshot yeah um let's just take a look at this this is a screenshot from one of the little books acorns for williah and um if your students were looking at this picture what are some things that they might notice or might wonder about and again feel free to open up your mic or just pop it into the chat what might your students notice and what might they wonder about i think some of my mainly my sks would probably notice the different color of leaves and the squirrels my jks in my class are quite the stronger group in my class so they would probably notice some of the more patterning throughout the pages and the things that they might wonder about is exactly throughout the pictures just what some of the things are and um they might be some of them have recently um began to decompose and compose so definitely some of them will begin to uh do that as well that's great thank you any other comments you know as you can see and you just talked a little bit about it like each book does have a math focus but um going from the children's ideas and where they are in their math thinking uh is often the way to go and there's so many places for these conversations to go so we'll take a a a better look at acorns for elia in a little bit and find out more about the supports that are available to you so when we're talking about mathology we're talking about a family Math Little Books of resources where the resources that are on the bottom mass success for all the learning progression all the professional learning resources that pearson puts out by you know kathy bruce and and alex lawson and the implementation support is what um underpins and supports the actual things that you have in your classrooms or on your computer and so for kindergarten there are the math little books and they come with in print and so they come with five little books or four little books patty can confirm that i can't remember and a big book like a lap book and a teacher guide and that comes in print for the activity kits currently they are available grade one two three and then in mathology.ca there are the little books and the activity kits k to six with additional digital features that make planning and assessment um really efficient so let's take um a look at uh what is available in the features uh available for mathology for kindergarten i'm going to use mathology.ca to show it but then we will be also talking about the print pieces and how everything works together and so for kindergarten there are 16 titles and they they release the activities in it really support engagement first of all and secondly i really like to think of the differentiation because there may be in the teacher's guide if you have the print resource you know 20 activities but they are really meant to provide the right activity for the right student or the right activity for the right groups of students not every student has to go through all 20 activities and in mathology.ca there are portions of that that are available to you and as you can see here from the pictures they there is number sense there is hedge and hedge and hog is data a best in show is measurement we can beat is patterning castle wall is geometry so you can see in kindergarten there is the full curriculum covered when you actually are using these little books and the activities that support them so when we think about math resources Learning Progression there's always usually a plan behind the actual resources and the plan behind this yeah we don't have it here the plan behind this is a learning progression where they move from early mathematical thinking in kindergarten and the learning progression we have goes all the way to grade nine and so we can see that the little books fit within this learning progression in the top left we see a warm cozy nest and this is under the big idea numbers tell us how much and how many and it moves all the way from counting sets of five and recognizing 5 along that pathway moving into 10 counting composing decomposing moving further along that continuum into comparing and using acorns for relia and then the last book in this pathway actually is a grade one book on safari um that starts into skip counting and counting sets up to 20. when we look at this pathway with other little books that start in kindergarten many of the pathways go all the way to grade three and so we can see that underneath this big idea about numbers tell us how much and how many that there are a variety of concepts that build upon each other and become more complex either as the year progresses starting the year with a warm cozy nest and around this time of year or a little bit earlier really moving into that comparing idea and within each of the books there's so Comparing Ideas many opportunities that are um jumping off points for play for students of course there's the ideas in the teacher's guide and in mathematics i'm going to show you in a minute but your students would have some magnificent ideas that can carry them through many of these uh math ideas and here's just a little quote from one of the users this was from a grade one teacher and she was using both kindergarten books and some of the grade one books and was talking about that the program is very hands-on because it can be related directly with the students here's some more recent pictures from [Music] twitter and using mathology in the outdoors and mixing and matching those outdoor pieces with mathematical frames like a 10 frame and they were just doing it outside like they could do in the classroom all the little books together connect to Correlations the provincial curriculum and there are correlations so you can just go to pearson mathology.ca it's an open website and that's where you're going to find the correlations to uh any province you're in but i believe we are all in ontario and um you can also find all the line masters that are together in one group but i'll show you in mathology.ca where they are also Login so we're going to take a look at mathology.ca and see uh how easy this platform is to find what you want and also really move students along that learning continuum and along all the strands in mathematics so what i'm going to do is i'm going to pull up my account now if you don't currently have an account we'll pop in the webs into the chat by the end the website where you can go to get your free 30-day trial and you'll be all set to grab and go and use something with students tomorrow i guarantee it because that's what we're going to focus on today is taking a look at um something that you can just take quickly and go with it so what happens now on my screen is sometimes when we are in zoom and on the platform things are a little bit slow which tonight they are really slow for some reason i've never had it this slow before and so this is my home screen of mathology.ca that should be coming up and if it doesn't come up soon i might just redo it yeah i'm just going to redo that and have it come up here there we go it's better it's a very simple login usually and again we're in the home screen so it will pop up in just a minute there we go so for um if you are new this is basically the screen that you would see in um facing you with a mathology.ca license so a mathology.ca license gets you access to all the grades kindergarten to grade six with everything in here math little books and all the activities included so let's take a look at um we're going oh you know what maybe i should go into the ontario one paddy does the ontario one have the pin of the grab and grow go uh they should all have it by now kim okay because this is my account you can't you can get that grab and go in your plan yeah yeah i'm gonna go there so um if if you uh are a new user one of these pins will be a grab and go plan i'm just going to go the other place to get it is just go to all plans Sample Plans and i am going to go to the bottom bucket is always shared plans meaning if you've made a plan and shared it then that's where they land and um shared a lot of plans yours might be empty at this point the middle bucket is always sample plans and there is a sample pathway long range plan for each of the grades currently for four five six it is a demo pathway the units are being built as we speak and so as the units are produced they are put into that pathway and all units will be ready for back to school for four five six um so that'll be august so let's take a look at the grab and go lessons to try today first i'm just going to click there so either you get that right on the pin in your home page or you go to plan and go to sample plans and we're going to get the grab and go so we're going to first take a look at kindergarten little books so what you see in the kindergarten Grab and Go little books is a grab and go for each strand so um just open your mic or pop in the chat what do you hope to work on in june with your students is it geometry is it patterning is it number sense what is it that you hope to be doing in june i know we're doing a lot of um composing and decomposing like numbers to 10 and beyond for the ones who can manage great composing and decomposing so that is in number sense anyone else same with uh myself uh we focused today on composing and decomposing and we've began um simple addition and subtraction as well okay so let's take a look at acorns for relia then um and see all the features and and how you can use this for composing and decomposing the others if you're interested in the other strands they're there too in the grab and go really really easy so this is where we're going to start Teacher Guide so the first page it's kind of like again a teacher's guide it's got three pages about lesson and differentiated support it gives us a little bit about the lesson where the math focuses is what the curriculum expectations are and then it is based on that learning progression and so it shows us exactly in that idea of numbers tell us how much and how many where this idea sits when we go to the lesson this is where we find Lesson some of the goodies and it gives ideas of how to introduce the book what types of conversations you might have what types of ideas you might talk through as they go through and then it gives the little book so it's as simple as clicking the button here and up comes the book and because this is a url this is shareable with your students virtually so you can just copy that url put it in your virtual school students can click on it there is no login needed for the students if you have the print resources this url is on the back of the little book or it's on it's also on a qr code on the back of the little book that's print so when we're looking at this book through mathology.ca or if we have the print version we also have access to the e-library so that is a another place that these books are found along with the full teacher guide and so that's available when you purchase the print you automatically get the e-library right now we're looking at mathology.ca which is an individual teacher subscription that gets you the little book it gets you these pieces i'm showing you and it will get you some lessons and activities that i'll show you in a minute so let's just take a look at the read and listen so this could be used as a projectible and have conversations because virtually you can just be showing this on your computer screen or it can be sent to them and they can read and listen by um just pressing arrow in the bottom grandma loves to take her tell me what you see says grandma willa looks around i see it is an easy feature for students to navigate themselves if that's something you want them to work on in their own virtual world the other opportunity is a little virtual tool that students can click on and play the little activity there is the audio there for them to listen to of what to do this is um composing and decomposing how many are inside how many are outside are there more counters inside or out outside the box and so these tools are really easy to navigate and easy to teach students how to use if you want to know a little bit about the digital tool you can just press this question mark and up comes a little pdf tutorial of the little features that are there to help you with that a lot of kindergarten teachers will use this as a small group or a large group discussion and play it together and work that way with it if students are using it it is just a practice it doesn't keep their work anywhere it's just for them to work through older kids that are working through some of these in grade two and three will often share their screen and they'll use they'll have conversations that way Sharing and so there is a feature in kindergarten uh that is here now and will be in the other grade soon you can share directly to your google classroom or to teams instead you always can copy and paste the url but if i've got a google classroom i can just click here and hopefully it will go to my i've got a sample class i want to make this [Music] an assignment i'm going to go it goes right there and [Music] i might just put will leia willia and i might put a little note there i assign it and it lands right into my google classroom in the place in an announcement here when i click on it oops i made it an assignment you can make it a an announcement making an assignment i didn't assign it to students there if i made it an announcement that's what i did last time the picture shows up just like this in my google classroom i click it on that's what the students would see when they click it on so it's a nice little feature that makes it easy for google classrooms and for teams to load directly and then the last button here is Differentiated Support differentiated support so gives ideas of what to do after the story again these are these books were made when we were face to face so sometimes there's adaptations needed there's always one full activity and so this is one activity from the print teacher guide that is available to you in addition the print teacher guides have about 20 activities that are divided into large groups small group and center type activities for you but when we look at the actual activity it gives us a really good sense of what is the math we're watching for what are we probing for and how to bring this about for the students math learning and then there are the line masters that are Line Masters available for you to use a lot of people are using them as projectibles or they will take the cards like the acorn cards and use these on a powerpoint virtually and in class they print them out and make games with them there is always an assessment master that isn't downloadable in pdf or word so that what i like about it it gives me the menu of the math ideas that i'm looking for in the students and i can just change this into any word document i want that works for me with my students but it helps me keep track of those math behaviors over time that are really important to kind of track and it gives a little bit more information than necessarily our curriculum might give us there's always a home in school so this is one place i always suggest for virtual teaching to come to because sometimes it's using home friendly stuff that you might want to use teaching virtually or it's something you might want to copy and paste into a newsletter for your students and then on the bottom there's always related lessons in other words Related Books related books if you're looking for another book on counting or composing and decomposing these are the ideas along this menu that you might want to look for obviously there's not below grade in kindergarten but often the above grade piece will go there so if you've got kids that are really composing and decomposing well go to a grade one book and see if that's going to be helpful to you so we've looked at uh one of the books here for acorn for williah and there's all the books followed the same function in using the little book in using the digital tool in using the line masters in a variety of ways i'm just going to go back to acorns for relia one more time for that so when we're talking about Differentiation differentiation some students might be at the idea where they really need the hands-on piece or the pictorial representation especially if we're working at the beginning of the year with something like this but then as students are going further into their number sense they might be ready for use actually using numerals and not necessarily just the the hand of stuff and then as we go even further some students may be ready to start thinking about how do they put some of these numbers together in situations so when we're thinking about differentiation that's the way i like to think about these line masters not as a variety of things to do but rather what pieces do certain kids need and what other pieces some students might need the acorn cards to be able to add some components together and some might be ready to think more abstractly just with something like this five acorns and eight green acorns it's a smaller set um and smaller visual images that they might just be ready for Indigenous Books so acorns for elia is a great book in the print teacher's guide there is also a note from the author from all those that have an indigenous aspect so both acorns for rely and weak and bead was written by nadine mcfadden from bc so inside the teacher's guide there is a note from nadine talking about the indigenous perspective and guiding and prompting questions that you can use that are developmentally appropriate with your students to bring about that aspect in your classroom and so each grade has two to four books that are written by indigenous authors with that companion piece in the teacher's guide so these are your grab and go lessons the other thing i wanted to show you was Interactive Tools this first folder is the interactive tools this is a variety of interactive tools that are a great great for virtual teaching great for working with groups of students in the classroom because they're all there for me so i might want to work with a rec and rec and it works just like the little book i can copy this url put it in my virtual classroom and now the kids can start playing along with this they might be adding and subtracting 10 they might be adding and subtracting 20. older kids might have more of these but just this one is a really easy tool to show different things like you might ask them to show three and seven you might ask them to show five and five i'll just take that off you might ask them to show seven and three so the wreck and rec again is a great tool and kindergarten kids can use it easily there is um ten frame tools there is uh oh there's a pan balance let's go look at the pan balance that's a great one i'm just going to go here with numbers and they start thinking about addition and subtraction i'm just going to put this here if we've got a one and four what are two other numbers that might even out to that and so they start thinking about that and so there are a variety of um pieces here there's a geo board that is great uh kids are starting to become familiar with coins there's a money drawer here they can talk about canadian coins without having to copy and paste and try to put on powerpoints uh money so lots and lots of good things that are in here that are really helpful for kindergarten of course there's the 10 frame that's here as well so just like the other ones attend frame i'm just going to share this url copy and paste this into my virtual school i can share it with my students that way or i might just want to project it on my screen and have math conversations about it so let's just take some of these off so we've taken a look at the grab and go lessons for kindergarten let's take a quick look at how you might this is great if you want to go tomorrow you're just going to go to plan you're going to all plans you're going to go to the shared plans and you're going to find grab and go at the sample plans you're going to find the grab and go lessons to try today and that gives you everything the other thing you might want to think about we have sample plans for each of the grades so when i go to kindergarten sample long range plan Kindergarten Sample Plan i see that it is segmented out a little bit differently in terms of yes it is still by the the area of mathematics but we've got number sense segmented out early number sense and later number since and so it is segmented out a little bit so that the earlier books come earlier and it's easy to find what you need so we've got kindergarten resources correlations are right here so you can go right to kindergarten correlations there's little tutorial videos here and you can get all the little book line masters just by clicking here goes directly and you can get them all there but let's take a look you might want to start with patterns in september here's a couple of books for patterning the early number sense books are here let's take a look at later number sense as they get up more into what you're working on now that you talked about about composing and decomposing so the benefit of uh loading up the full Make Your Own sample plan is one you get all these at the tip of your finger the other thing is you can make this your own i can just click this green button on the right use sample plan i'm just going to name it something in a minute when i see the sorter on the right hand side i know that now this is my plan and it will always land underneath my plan in the all planned bucket i can always go back and get it but the benefit of something like this is i can move these units around i might want to start with geometry and so i'm going to put that at the top and so um or i might move it Add an Extension i can add in um sometimes i want to look at um i might want to find something for as an extension for some of my kids so i might want to look into grade one and i might want to look into let's say number sense and i might want to look in a cluster i might just want the counting cluster so i can look here and take a look and usually they appear in the order you would normally teach them so number one would be an easier skill than number two or number five so there might be something here here's counting to 20 that you might want to take the actual activity throw it in there and use that as an extension for some of your students and again if i do that i can just click and drop and sometimes there are k1 combined classes K1 Combined Classes that look here and so it has the same features there's a few additional things in terms of the actual activity line masters are clickable the assessment instead of being a line master is a drag and drop feature and again there's differentiated support at the end so grade one to three looks a little different than kindergarten a little book and if you want to know more about those actual lessons we've got a grade one to three webinar coming up next week that we can do that but you might have uh something else you want to use this as your main plan you might have some google docs you might have some some powerpoints you might have some youtube videos that you want to put in here you can add anything in that is has a Adding Videos url so i'm just going to add non-mathology lessons i go to the bottom i can add in just a url here i save it and it will go to the bottom of my sorter here so it might have been a youtube video this is a subitize rock if you don't know it you might want to get it it's a great subitizing video rock song for students again it's in my plan i would tee this up to have it ready um after the commercial just tee it up and get it ready there because i can just leave it projected that way but it's a great way to have a plan i can print this out if i want as a document and have it printed i can share it with someone else that has mathology.ca so if i'm loading in different things with the url it just gets shared so the the planning tool is a great way Planning Tool to go when you're thinking about starting next year the grab and go try today sample is a great way if you just want something tomorrow and just pull up a little book so i'm just going to come back to the powerpoint so that we can be really clear in what is in mathology.ca and what is in print so that anyone that is new today is kind of clear on what's available so let's we're going to come back to that okay so i'm just gonna go back a little bit here so in the print pieces there are the set of little books there is the big book for kindergarten and then there is the print teachers guide that comes with the e-text library that is a duplication of everything in the um in the teacher's guide when we look at mathology.ca you saw that it has all the little books for kindergarten they're clickable shareable they have the virtual tool you have some of the activities and the line masters are available to you to use in a differentiated way with your students that this is an example of the note that comes in the print piece that comes with the teacher's guide and that is from nadine sharing with you her perspective and and and her indigenous aspect towards this all the mathology books are adapted for french immersion they're not translated so sometimes the names or locations things might be a little bit different from french and english EText that in the print e-text you have both the projectable just like mathology.ca but in the e-text there is also a wordless text feature that is available also that tends to be used a lot in french immersion um but also in other grades because it you can make up your own math conversations and the print doesn't distract from it that the um in mathology.ca you always have one lesson it might be designated it might say large group might say small group but use it as needed within the teacher guides there is the combination of all different types of options for activities Teacher Guides the teacher guides come with really that idea of focusing on the math and watching for the math and probing for the math and each book covers two math concepts as you see on the left one is in blue and one is in orange and so they go a long way you know a little book can last a couple of weeks because you may have a math conversation on one page and work just with that one page for that math lesson that the line masters are really great to use for differentiation so here on the left students might still be really needing that touching that one-to-one piece students might be starting to represent things on a ten frame and then they may be able to go into that abstract idea where they're really just working with those numbers in mathology.ca you saw the line master that really helps to give that math menu on the left hand side we see some other supports within the within the print features that really help as teachers to get at that math and then when people purchase mathology i'm the one that they work with for a variety of professional learning to enhance their learning and their efficiency so that you don't you're not left wandering and you can get right in and do the work you need to do with your students and so we're going to end this uh webinar today with just a little bit of information that if you're new to mythology we'll get you some information but you can see that just by using the resources that i've shown you and using the pictures and the conversations that we can really imagine the student thinking that gets revealed just by putting these little pictures in front of little people and having some great activities and conversations Recap and so for kindergarten we're just going to do a quick recap and maybe patty do you want to talk for a couple of minutes and just give a quick overview on anyone that's new uh what's available for them you bet thanks kim um so thanks for that walkthrough of mathology.c we often get at this point the question um if you don't already have it how much is it and how do i get it and so mythology.ca contains all grades from k to six within so um not only do you have access to all the math little books for kindergarten but for the other grades as well and activities so it's a really rich resource um and it's available as a one-year license for teachers at 175 and there's also a five-year teacher license as well for 665. um when you purchase mathology.ca you actually open up a whole bunch of um savings on our print resources which are the math little books and big books and teachers guides with a one-year license for instance you can save 15 on those big books or the little books or teachers guides and with a five-year license your your discount is bigger it's at 25 so um that special offer is on now until the end of the school year so if you're interested in that i think one of the next slides kim will show you um near the end will be um who to contact if you're interested so kim wall passes back to you Math is my jam great so if you're looking for ideas on different ways that teachers and educators across canada are using the little books just go to twitter and you can do at pearson mathology and you will find a variety of ways that teachers are sharing what they're doing uh every day you see something new on there that people are actually doing and you just had one i think today patty that you shared with us also where it was data or something that a teacher was using and uh coming up with uh the probability of even in odd numbers which is just great so they take the activity or they adapt the activity and they have a lot of fun with their students kim i will say that the reason i shared that today i laughed when i saw it because the teacher who shared it said her student aft after doing this activity said math is my jam so it's great to hear uh kids loving that so just want jam the students said that that's right yeah oh isn't that great math is my jam okay so i'm just going to go back one so we have a twitter you can join that Join our community uh group and just kind of see what other people are doing the other thing we have is a facebook group where um teachers help teachers that you can join there or i'll post things that are coming up in mathology you'll see it there you'll see it on twitter too but um this is a nice little community that we're working together and people help each other some people have been in mathology longer sometimes i respond and it's just a a great way to kind of grow as a community so if you are new you can have a free 30-day trial by going to pearson mathology.ca and in that trial you get everything just like you would purchase it so you get a really good sense of what's there and and what's helpful to you and it's right there at the bottom of that page you might need to scroll a teeny bit but it's a big blue button can't miss it and uh i encourage you to go either to the grab and go lessons and and grab one of those books maybe even acorns for relia and uh grab and go and try something with your students so i'm just curious to know now that we've kind of shown you things and kind of talked a little bit about the print we've talked a little bit about what you could find in the e-text library that is just a duplicate of the teacher's guide and then we've shown you what you have available in mathology.ca just curious to know what might you try tomorrow so again unmute or um just throw it in the chat hi uh i'm actually really excited about those interactive tools um i'd love to use them starting tomorrow but i actually have a question about that um i'm in a situation where our school's um membership i guess for mathology it just expired like maybe a week or two ago um so i'm wondering since we have the hard copy books at school is there also urls in the book for the interactive tools or would we need to renew our subscription so um the actual no so we've got the activity that is kind of like using some of the tools right but it's actually an activity that's associated with a little book the virtual tools are like another folder and so they are only those kind of blank virtual tools i kind of call them right um are only in mathology.ca but is is it that your 30-day trial has expired no we had a one-year membership uh that expired like i said a couple weeks ago now um so i guess we would need to renew our subscription then in order to have access to the to the um like i couldn't do a 30-day trial probably right well um i'm not sure how that actually works are you sorry are you toronto catholic yes yes um and it was just our school that purchased the um subscription so it's not the whole board at least not to my knowledge okay so do you know bart ben slack okay if you um would you mind sharing your email with me because what i can do is i can send you for your that email to bart benslack who is the math consultant for toronto catholic um i know he is the kind of manager of the subscriptions but he may have a couple lying around that he can just transfer over to people that really want it so um i'll make sure that you get that and then in the meantime you might want to talk to your principal to see if you can get it uh renewed for another year absolutely that would be great so again you know again a year or five years uh you saw kind of the prices and things that are available to you so um if you or what i can do is i will just put my my email into the chat and you can email me okay and then um pearson.com yeah why don't you email me and then i will pass it on to bart and we'll try to work something out for you so that you have something for the last month that is easy peasy and virtual tools useful thank you so much i appreciate it no problem so if there are no more questions we will hang around for a little bit um if you're wanting to talk with one of the sales reps here we have the emails for them and we'll just stick around for a couple of minutes if there's any more questions and if not we thank you for your time today after a long day with kids in front of a computer and i just wish you a really good evening